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The advocate: 'Living homeless doesn't define me'



Morgan Brown sits in the Christ Church pocket park in Montpelier last week.

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By SUSAN ALLEN TIMES ARGUS STAFF - Published: August 3, 2009

MONTPELIER – Morgan Brown is candid – but not apologetic – about his circumstances.

He's homeless, living in a tent in the woods in or around Montpelier. He carries his belongings – an extra shirt, underwear, socks, a clock radio, a first-aid kit, and toiletries – in a backpack everywhere he goes. He eats at a church soup kitchen, and snacks on Clif Bars.

Brown suffers from mental health issues, including depression and suicidal tendencies. He has good periods – and not-so-good periods. One day last week, he was not so good.

But even on a bad day, Brown inadvertently remains an advocate. It's one of the things he's best at, looking out for and speaking up for the homeless and the mentally ill.

"People are people, and their housing situation doesn't define them, it doesn't determine what they might do or what they're about," Brown said during a conversation last week, seated outside the Kellogg-Hubbard Library in Montpelier, catching a rare glimpse of sunshine. "Living homeless doesn't define me. I don't let that keep me from doing certain things when I'm able.

"Since the summer of 1997, I have been without permanent housing," he added in a follow-up e-mail. "In the meantime, I have stayed where I could. Sometimes that has meant 'doubling up' (i.e., staying with someone for a time), 'couch surfing' (staying with someone for a short time, maybe a night or more here or there, sleeping on a couch or on the floor or sometimes on a bed maybe), sleeping in a car, wandering the streets at night – resting where and when one can,

sleeping on a porch or in a hallway or tenting out in the woods, as I am now."

Although he has worked on a dairy farm, in a factory, as a draftsman (for which he's trained), and on a warehouse floor, he's not employed right now, and that clearly bothers him.

"I'd love to be working. I never signed up for this," he said of his inability to hold a job. "Who wants to live with major depression and suicidal tendencies, living homeless. I'd rather be working."

Brown was born in Middletown, Conn., but taken from his mother as a baby and put into foster care in Rhode Island.

"The last time I remember seeing my mother when I was little was my father was beating the s - - t out of her," he said. Brown said he was colicky, and his mother was home alone with a crying baby. "She slapped me across the head a couple of times. She tells my father, and that's it."

Eventually, his father, who would later enter a mental hospital – as did his mother – gained custody of Morgan, and the two moved around, leading Brown to do poorly in school and repeat the fourth grade.

"They pulled me out of (the fifth-grade) class … it was horrifying," he recalled. The staff put him back in a fourth-grade class with too few seats. He shared a seat with another student.

Brown dropped out of his junior year of vocational drafting program after two surgeries for scoliosis, and hitchhiked to Florida with no particular plan. He was carrying around his mother's address, although he had never called or visited her in all those years. A sheriff in Florida, searching his belongings, found the address.

"That was my first time of being homeless," Brown recalled. After seeing the address again, he decided to hitch back and find his mother, who had remarried, had three children, and divorced again. "I was in bad shape. I hadn't slept, I hadn't eaten in three days. I didn't have anything but the clothes on my back."

Along the way, a truck driver picked him up, bought him a meal, listened to his story, and gave him the money to call his mother from the road.

"He was a good man," Brown said. "He told me to get to where you are going, and take care of yourself. I wasn't sure I could promise that. It seemed like a lot to promise. I said, 'I'll do my best.'"

Brown said that truck driver, who was a Christian, started Brown's commitment to "going the gracious extra mile and beyond. It's my way of showing my gratitude. I try when I can to do what I can for others. It's no obligation. I didn't ask that guy for nothing except the ride.

"He started talking to me," Brown continued, becoming emotional. "A lot of times that's what people need. If they are comfortable with that, sometimes it helps to have somebody talk to them."

Things didn't work out with his mother and half-siblings, so he returned to his father.

"I didn't want to go back to my father's, but I didn't want to end up in worse circumstances," which he had learned often faced the young, isolated and vulnerable. He later moved into an apartment, and began an on-again-off-again drug problem, eventually moving into assisting with Christian drug-rehabilitation work in various states.

Somewhere along the way, Brown married for a few years and had two children, now grown: a son and daughter he lost touch with for 19 years until a few years ago. He tears up describing writing on his blog about his daughter's birthday, wishing her a happy one, when she unexpectedly typed in, "Thank you." It was their first communication in years.

She and her brother came to Montpelier and met Brown near the library for a visit.

"That was cool," he said.

Brown's life in Vermont began in 1988, when he began receiving disability benefits and moved into a Rutland motel. He also began his activism around that time, getting involved in the mental health movement. Three years later, he moved to Montpelier, where he has lived in a motel, apartments and now in a tent in the woods, and continued his work, focusing over the years on issues linked to homelessness, mental illness, police use of Tasers and more. He even served on the Montpelier Housing Authority board for eight months.

"What I tend to focus on is helping to identify and fill gaps and unmet needs," Brown said of his advocacy. "It is part of what I am good at doing, sizing up a situation, figuring out what is needed and trying to do what is required to meet the need or fill the gap, including working with others to help do so."

As a reporter who has come to respect his work and wonders aloud how he was able to accomplish advocacy while homeless and suffering from depression, Brown worried that I might portray him as some kind of hero.

"I want to overcome the poster child 'hero' aspect, as though it's something unusual or extraordinary," he cautioned me. "I've known other people who had way worse experiences. I'm not complaining about it."

I asked Brown where he thought he might be in 10 years.

"Assuming I'm still alive … ideally, I'd have a little place of my own, neighbors not right next door, a little piece of land, maybe a horse, a dog, a cat. I'd grow vegetables."

Morgan, that sounds like a lot to live for.

sue.allen@timesargus.com








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Just to provide a brief status update for anyone who might either stumble upon this article or come across this comment once posted:

As of last Friday (August 14th) I signed a lease for a small efficieny apartment in Montpelier, obtained the keys that day and have since moved in. Thus, after twelve long years and lots of effort to become finding suitable housing, I am once again housed.

This happened independent of the column being published, since I had made an initial inquiry about the place I moved into about three weeks prior to having been asked by Sue Allen if she could interview me for her column.

The day after the interview and, before the column was published, the housing person followed up with me about potential housing and I formally applied the following day; which, as it turns out, was exactly two weeks prior to being able to sign the lease for the apartment once one became available.

There was a lot of work and effort involved to make this happen as quickly as it did and I am grateful to everyone who helped me become housed again.
-- Posted by Norsehorse on Tue, Aug 18, 2009, 1:26 pm EST

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Are you Kidding? wrote:

"Mr Brown, how many people have sought you out to assist you, or simply talk to you (talk is cheap), or do something substantial to give you roots to help yourself? Or has anyone done anything for you besides speculate and give you advice?"

There have been those in the community, some who I know and others I did not know before, who had read the article and have been morally supportive. I've had good conversations with them, some very brief at times, but good all the same.

None of them have attempted to play the role of either armchair social worker, armchair disability benefits expert or armchair federal disability benefits adminstrative law judge, since most seem to know better not to bother doing so or have otherwise chosen to keep such speculation or advise to themselves.

:-) [smile]

On certain other aspects in regards to my housing situation of a long term nature, as it is my primary need (since I do have an income via the benefits I receive and so that is not a current gap or unmet need as well), although I have nothing new or different to report than was reported within the column concerning my current circumstances, there are those whose job or responsibility it is to do so and I have a relationship with (i.e., I have either worked with them previously or know them well enough) who are working *with* me in an attempt to address such matters and this is independent of and prior to the column being published: i.e., the column was coincidental and has nothing to do with the other.

And, particularly since I have no idea of what may happen or not, that is much more than I really care to share right now about it.

That said, I well appreciate the interest people have taken and concern shown in one fashion or another regarding these matters in general, particularly given there are those within our area in far worse circumstances and need than myself. Those are some of the persons who are far more in need of what you decribe within your first paragraph.

That said as well and, just as a matter of fact and not provided either as a statement of need or a request for need, over and since the weekend the zippers on my tent malfunctioned (the bottom one completely and as of this morning now the top/side one, which is caught midway due to one of the teeth breakng or whatever and it will not budge) and being a cheap tent the zippers cannot be repaired that I can tell and neither can I afford to replace the tent; which has to be big enough as my current one or the twin-sized air mattress I recently bought will not fit within it.

In the meantime I will just keep using it until I can manage to get my inside somewhere and am using quite a bit of duct tape to seal up the entrance from the inside when I am settled in each and every night.

Too bad someone does not make an easier to apply replacement zipper I could slap right over the old ones that and that fit just right; which might work for the bottom, as it is a straight zipper, but probably not for the upper/side zipper, as it is has to curve and replacing that is easier said than done.

Also too bad because, if and when I were to become housed, I was going to offer to give my tent and tarps to someone I know who could really use it, although real housing would be much better for them of course, especially since they are in even much worse shape than I am.
-- Posted by Norsehorse on Thu, Aug 6, 2009, 11:52 am EST

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Pandora box:

I did not take any slight at all, was just trying to provide certain information and attempt to make things clearer if at all possible.

However, the paragraph you keep only using a segment of and taking out of context as well as putting words in my mouth is actually in full as follows:

"Another point I would like to make is that I do not have 'mental health issues', nor do I 'suffer' from severe depression or the other emotional or psychiatric disabilities I live with; rather such are conditions as well as life experiences that, like anyone else, I live with the best I am able to do so at any given moment or day; and, sometimes, no matter how I hard I may try, my best is not always good enough, yet I continue to do my best irregardless."

Once again, I never said that I do not have emotional and psychiatric disabilities and neither did I state that I do not have documented 'mental illness'. The fact is the opposite is true. In fact my disabilities are quite severe.

I never said, as you misquote me, "do not have a mental illness..."; rather and yet once again, what I stated was that I do not have 'mental health issues' and then I also stated however "... severe depression or the other emotional or psychiatric disabilities I live with; rather such are conditions as well as life experiences ... : i.e., I view it as living with and experiencing severe depression or the other emotional or psychiatric disabilities or conditions I live with.

Like some in the disability rights community I reject certain terms and disciptors, including the term 'suffer' to describe my disability. Rather it is something I have and live with. If I could manage to work, then I would be doing so.

Somehow you seem to think that just because I reject the term 'suffer' that then I am not living with severe disabilities that cause me not to be able to work. I am not going to argue over the use of language any longer with you or anyone else concerning these matters, but if I did not have the disabilities I have and that are well and properly documented, then I would not be receiving benefits and the only reason I am is because I do.

Just because I choose to think about it and also speak of it in different terms than is acceptable to you and certain others, does not take away from the fact that the degree of the disabilities I live with and experience is of a much greater severity than you or certain others are willing or able to understand or appreciate. Intelligence and the ability to articulate myself has nothing to do with it.

Keep in mind that I did not manage to provide all the details of either my previous or current mental health history either during the interview or in follow-up e-mails to the reporter, not to purposely leave things out, but there was a lot of ground to cover and I also was trying to answer the direct questions asked of me. So, it should be assumed there is much more to the story, yet I do not have to reveal it to you or anyone else to prove anything to you.

That said and, in addition, I have already provided the social security administration as well as those others who need such information everything they required when they required it and that information is strictly confidential, I will not be sharing that with the public or with anyone else since I do not have to. I do not have to share it with you or anyone else in order to prove I have the disabilities I live with and experience the severity of them as I do.
-- Posted by Norsehorse on Thu, Aug 6, 2009, 10:46 am EST

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It doesnt seem too hard to find Mr Brown.
Why doesnt whoever has all these personal questions and advice for Mr Brown, go downtown and meet with him and buy him lunch or take im to Coffee Corner for breakfast and show some personal compassion, instead of this social worker session online.
Perhaps some of you that believe in redistribution of wealth pay for a nice hotel room for a few weeks, phone cards, personal items, a few months rent in an apartment, a food gift card from Shaws...buy him a laptop with a years worth of Wifi......or maybe some one-on-one conversations to let him know you are real, some can even use their super-secret-online-code name......(lol I got one of those .lol)

Mr Brown, how many people have sought you out to assist you, or simply talk to you (talk is cheap), or do something substantial to give you roots to help yourself? Or has anyone done anything for you besides speculate and give you advice?
-- Posted by Are you Kidding? on Thu, Aug 6, 2009, 12:47 am EST

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I apologize Morgan if you took slight to my not quoting the entire sentence. I was referring to the criteria necessary to obtain such services. At this point, to receive SSDI, you have to give enough medical history from the onset of the disability to work. I'm talking about, have you ever missed an appointment with your shrink-type information.

My apology is thus: Your entire quote was "Another point I would like to make is that I do not have 'mental health issues', nor do I 'suffer' from severe depression or the other emotional or psychiatric disabilities I live with"

As far as the government is concerned -- if you ain't sufferin' you better take yer butt off to work. They always have a snappy comeback on how you could be working (despite weekly appointments with therapist, shrink, other) They don't care if you've had suicidal ideations just so long as you're not having them this second. SSDI will tell you that you are capable of getting a job, but they also say they don't offer help in job placement.

I hope I didn't sound too harsh, because that was not my intent. Your response was very thoughtful and I appreciate it. I have issues with SSDI that states if you have one of their 100% disability-required illness, that they can still deny based on whatever the heck they want. There's a list on SS's website that says in black and white what illnesses they consider debilitating. *Even* if you are IN that category, they'll do whatever they wish.

I'm no elitist, sitting back and judging -- I'm genuinely upset with the system. I happen to be a lucky owner of an illness myself. It's called Bipolar l, rapid cycling. That means that day by day my illness holds me prisoner. I take fourteen different medications and I am not "disabled." After the third decline, I hired a lawyer -- (that is that I retain a lawyer who does not get paid unless I get my rightful SSDI.) I'm sill waiting for a court date years later. I've been hospitalized twice at Fletcher Allen for suicidal ideations and once at Dartmouth for the same reason. But, nope -- not disabled according to SSDI. They have told me more than once that I could -- and I quote "do jobs that are easy to learn and that do not require working with others" Um.. hello? I've been not allowed SSDI because I am able to "walk, stand and move about without help."

I trust that you understand that when I read your story and statements that you "do not have a mental illness... nor do I suffer..." Yes, you're a trooper and you make the best of a bad situation. We all do. But when one person is denied assistance and you have to wait until your power is thisclose to being turned off -- you get a little ticked off. I truly wish you the best, and as other posters have noted, you appear very intelligent and rational. Absolutely no hard feelings, please.
-- Posted by Pandora box on Wed, Aug 5, 2009, 4:19 pm EST

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Morgan - Call me an optimist but I think you can attain permanent housing in Vermont. I am not a program expert by any means. I do know some disabled people who have gotten into permanent housing. Not luxury but better than being outside.

Christina - I'm not suggesting "green acres" or "highgate" since I am unfamiliar with them. I am suggesting that some of what Burlington Housing offers might be a better model than section 8.

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-- Posted by Olde Man on Wed, Aug 5, 2009, 2:59 pm EST

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Christina, thank you very much!
BTW, I lived in Section 8 housing in Philadelphia forty years ago, so I am familiar with the issues of "upkeep" and "maintenance." And with difficulty of renting "regular" housing thereafter.
-- Posted by gina on Wed, Aug 5, 2009, 2:37 pm EST

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Gina,

Just make sure she understands to set the MP3 to record before entering the building, if that is a problem. Mine makes recordings up to 2 hours. She could set it to record a block or more away if she needed that much distance to feel safe enough to push "record," so as to not being seen activating it under her shirt, which is smart.

I would set to record in my apartment before heading to the common laundry room, which became an issue over time. After returning to my apartment, I would either hit "pause" if I would be heading back, or "off". If there was nothing significant said, then I would select "erase recording" when prompted when turning it off.

Fortunately, I did not capture any threats, and am out of that building now, but it made me feel safer doing my laundry. Then tenant I was scared off was beating his girlfriend, which I reported anonymously not realizing I was the only apartment lit at the time (oops), so I watched my back after that with the MP3. Seeing a common wall kicked in made me nervous as well. Glad I am out of that hellhole in Winooski. Was not bad at first, but over time, tenant selection became lower quality over time.

As for contacting the manager, try a regular letter or phone call first with a photocopy or for her records or summary in her log, then advance to certified letter if incidents with the same tenant continue. VT P&A may be able to help get action out of the property management over the continued comments once she complains with data to back her up (her log).
-- Posted by Christina Colombe on Wed, Aug 5, 2009, 1:00 pm EST

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Okay, Olde Man, I read that article:

http://www.theatlantic.com/doc/200807/memphis-crime
Any your point is? Abolish Section 8 and build more Green Acres and Highgate projects?

Other than putting the same people into new digs, what was asked of these people? Nothing. For very early (Gautreaux) and later selections, people had to be employed and kids in school, which scared off people who felt they could not meet those requirements. Many had family and friendship ties they would not break by leaving the projects.

It was pretty naive to believe that black people who were taught no skills were just going to join the middle class by just emulating their white neighbors, whom they would not even sit with at a chili cook-off.

In Vermont's tight lower-rent housing markets, the same selection is going on: People having Section 8 (poor, low-income) are often excluded from many better neighborhoods even if their figures are in the rental range. Credit and income may be fine but "Section 8=bad person and crime" is going on in the head of the landlord. Also, BASIC upkeep and upgrade requirements have to be met by the landlord, which means making investments he or she is not willing to spend money on.

I moved into Wellington Street, that big green building on the curve overlooking the playground that burned to the ground a few years ago. We were basically happy there, and yes, were exposed to single white women who were working and raising kids alone (post divorce, I presume). So people make a choice of living with people you don't care to live with (Green Acres in the 1970s) or with the Section 8 move to apartments with less maintained inside environments but contain GENERALLY better educated and behaved people.

I remember Wellington Street had problems with the heat right off, with my younger brother ending up in the hospital with pneumonia. After living there for 3 or 4 years, the Barre Housing made an issue with the terrible wallpaper, so we got new wallpaper, installed by the landlady herself, I believe, only after we agreed to steam off the 8-12 layers of old paper we had nothing to do with putting up. The last upgrade was to put in a shower head and rod for a bathroom that had never had a shower before. These were not outrageous upgrades or maintenance requests for having the same tenants for over 10 years, but is barrier enough for landlords to discriminate and pick prospective tenants without a Section 8.
-- Posted by Christina Colombe on Wed, Aug 5, 2009, 12:37 pm EST

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Christina--thank you; these are helpful suggestions. The problem is that she becomes very stressed under these circumstances and it is hard for her to think clearly. She has learned some coping strategies but they really work well only when she is calm. When an incident occurs, she often cannot do more than one thing at a time. She decompensates very easily. For example, she was walking home from the library one evening and a man exposed himself to her and made lewd comments. She called the crisis line and because "nothing really happened" the person who answered minimized the incident. She then called the police, who said that because she had left the place where it happened and could not identify the person (she said she blocked out his face because she was so scared) they could do nothing. In her building, the young men who make comments scare her so badly she has to leave the building and walk for hours to calm herself. In these circumstances, the helpful strategies you suggest would work, but only if she felt calm enough to try them. However, the idea about the MP3 player is one she might be able to do, and maybe keeping a log (making entries after something happens) would give her a sense of control. I will pass these ideas on to her. THanks again.
-- Posted by gina on Wed, Aug 5, 2009, 12:11 pm EST

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Correction: had *meant* to write:

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Then there is how I am percieved by others, since sometimes I may be having a real bad time of it, however someone probably has no idea and often that is better than if they were to know, since they probably would say or do something to make matters *worse* .... One learns to execise caution in *what* or how much one tells others ....

However, once again as previously stated, these are conditions or disabilities I live with, I do not accept the portrayal *others might* project ....

While others have the right to think and speak of such as they may choose, I have the right to not also do so, but *in addition* to be free from misconceptions others may have or impose and not have such define me or what I can do or am about.

[...]
-- Posted by Norsehorse on Wed, Aug 5, 2009, 11:04 am EST

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Pandora's Box wrote:

"But, if you have no documented "mental illness," how is it you're getting SSDI?"

You either misunderstood or did not carefully read what I wrote. I never stated that I have no documented "mental illness" or psychiatric condition.

Read the statement of mine you quoted more carefully:

"Another point I would like to make is that I do not have 'mental health issues', nor do I 'suffer' from severe depression or the other emotional or psychiatric disabilities I live with"

There were various reasons why I inserted semi-quote marks around the terms 'mental health issues' and 'suffer'.

In addition, yours was only a partial quote, you left out other key segments: i.e.,

"... ; rather such are conditions as well as life experiences that, like anyone else, I live with the best I am able to do so at any given moment or day; and, sometimes, no matter how I hard I may try, my best is not always good enough, yet I continue to do my best irregardless.?

The key phrases that could prove helpful to understand the meaning within what I stated include:

"... severe depression or the other emotional or psychiatric disabilities I live with;"

and,

"... ; rather such are conditions as well as life experiences ..."

Let me put it another way so it might be more clearer, I live with certain emotional or psychiatric disabilities and some of which has been lifelong or nearly so and also, which have been or continue to be severe at times, sometimes episodic in nature as far as the degree of severity goes; which can be triggered by various factors.

Then there is how I am percieved by others, since sometimes I may be having a real bad time of it, however someone probably has no idea and often that is better than if they were to know, since they probably would say or do something to make matters what and there is also not much else they could do to help make things better or improve the situation. One learns to execise caution in hwta or how much one tells others and, it is both sad and tough, as being isolated while living with certain conditions can add to the stress and negative consequences. However, one can only take care of oneself as best as one can and has to be careful and guarded against what others may say or do of a negative nature, as such often makes matters worse, even when not intended.

However, once again as previously stated, these are conditions or disabilities I live with, I do not accept the portrayal other with project that I 'suffer' or that I have 'mental health issues' and this is not merely an issue of semantics, nor is it about being politically correct either.

While others have the right to think and speak of such as they may choose, I also have the right to not also do so, but to be free from misconceptions others may have or impose and not have such define me or what I can do or am about.

Let me put it another way, in the past most people would say I was 'crazy', 'nuts', 'cuckoo', 'mental case' and any number of other descriptors or labels.

Nowadays the code phrases for the same include to say that the person has 'mental health issues', however everyone -- including those of us who are being described -- knows exactly what is being stated and what would instead probably be stated more clearly and openly in other terms in certain company or at least what may be thought and left unsaid.

As far as the term 'suffer' goes, some accept that term and I have even caught myself using it at times since it is such a common term or way to think of such. Even using the term 'cope' can have the same negative, 'pity' the sufferer connotation.

Although it is true that I live with certain conditions and disabilities, some of which can be severe at times, there are many reasons to avoid the usage of certain labels and the negative attitudes that follow them, even when unintended, as they can then become easily internalized and, then, we are said to 'suffer' from low self-esteem, etc.

Thus, to in the hope to inject as well as to project a more positive outlook, particularly for the future, I do not 'suffer', I live with these conditions and disabilities.

While to some there may not be a difference above one of the use of language, it can make a huge difference between how both one can feel about oneself and about how others can perceive and treat someone living with such: e.g.,

It is better to use the following people first terms and language:

People living housless or, more commonly referred to as, homeless; rather than 'the homeless' or describing a person as 'homeless'.

People with mental illness or people with psychiatric disabilities; rather than 'the mentally ill'.

Do we call people living with cancer, "the cancer ill" or people living with diabetes, 'the diabetics'?

Hopefully not. No, they are people first, people who happen to have and live with certain conditions.

When we think about and perceive such conditions and the people living with such in these terms, our attitudes and how we treat such can be very different: i.e., positive versus negative as well as potentially supportive and nurturing rather than fearful and thus avoiding them, etc.

Believe me when I say it can make a huge difference at times, at least if it is more than just about word, terms and language being used and it goes deeper and farther than that anyway; however, at least the language is not a bad to start, if need be.
-- Posted by Norsehorse on Wed, Aug 5, 2009, 10:50 am EST

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Christina Colombe wrote:

"Isn't income part of the equation? The higher your income, the more apartments fall into your affordability range. People have to ask for their 'figures,' so I was under the impression that maximum allowed rent was somewhat individualized based on income."

Am not sure I understand what is being stated exactly or if my answer will address it properly, however yes, income is definitely part of the equation, but so is family size, the allowable unit size depending on family size and also the rent ceiling for such, which factor in related costs as well: e.g., utilities. Yet, as I understand it anyway, with the section eight rental housing choice vouchers, if the rent for a unit is above the allowable rent ceiling, then one cannot use the voucher for it. Or, put another way, a lot of the rents for units are way above what the allowable rent ceiling is for the section eight housing choice voucher program for what I am eligible for; at least it certainly was the case the last time I had a voucher and it also makes no sense to move into a place that has both a higher rent than I can afford on my own until I am next able to obtain a voucher or would clearly be above the rent ceiling, particularly since it is hard enough to find a new place in the time period one would have to do so and be able to keep the voucher until a place is found. This stated, I am no expert and I am also certain there has also been many changes to the program since I had last been enrolled in it as well, which I have not managed to keep up with.
-- Posted by Norsehorse on Wed, Aug 5, 2009, 9:56 am EST

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Olde Man wrote:

"You are intelligent and articulate. Why is it so hard for you to hold a job?"

The level or degree of one's intelligence or ability to be articulate has nothing to do with the level or degree of what emotional, psychological or psychiatric condition or disability one may have.

That said, there are indeed persons with certain emotional, psychological or psychiatric conditions or disabilities who are able to manage to work.

For my part I did my best to do so for as long as I could and it was a major struggle to do that for as long as I previously managed. Prior to my applying for general assistance and then disability benefits, when I was not able to work and sometimes it was for lengthy periods of time, I was of course without any means to support myself and just stayed wherevere and with whomever I could.

In my case, I did not have a support system and resources others sometimes have available to them and, although there were those who had tried to get me to apply for government programs, I did not do so for a variety of reasons. That is until I finally had no other option and I knew I could not keep on doing it like I had done previously and it was time to try something else no matter if it was not something I ever wanted to do: i.e., applying for disability benefits.

By the way, while you may percieve me as being "intelligent and articulate", there are those who do not and who judge me otherwise, no matter what I may do or accomplish. And, like I already mentioned, such has nothing to do with the conditions or disabilities I live with.

"Also, Vermont has programs to help the disabled ..."

There are very limited at times and also not everything available to persons with physical disabilities is always available to persons with certain other disabilities, particularly along the same lines; although I have been trying to fight to get that sort of thing changed, however to no avail thus far. Some of the programs available to persons with certain other disbilities are often very institutional in approach and design and do not support independent living and self-determination, etc., for those who prefer such for themselves, in fact they can act to do the opposite.

"... and isn't there any program or resources that will help you find permanent shelter?"

The problem has more been being able to find an available and affordable permanent place to live over the long term -- as long as the stated rent does not get increase sometime after move in (which can happen, particularly without a lease) -- and also one that I could use a section eight rental housing choice voucher with, once I was able to obtain a voucher again, as that can take a long time too.

In fact, years ago I had actually previously managed to line up some of the resources to fund some of the upfront move in costs.

That said, remember within my last posted comment I had stated, "There is much more to all this of course, including recent turn of events independent of and prior to the column being published, however those chapters may be a telling for another time."

Enough said concerning what might potentially lay around the corner, at least for now anyway.
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I'm sure I'll probably be flamed from here to kingdom come and labeled "insensitive," But, if you have no documented "mental illness," how is it you're getting SSDI? I am not intending to offend, only to question. There are people with documented, illness-qualified (as according to disability criteria) and those people are repeatedly turned down for legitimate disabilities. 70% of all claims are rejected on the first attempt, even with a lawyer who specializes in disability claims, the best someone truly ill can hope for is a 60% chance once going to court and appealing.

You posted earlier: "Another point I would like to make is that I do not have 'mental health issues', nor do I 'suffer' from severe depression or the other emotional or psychiatric disabilities I live with"

My question is honestly not meant to offend or start a flame-fest on the board, but SSDI is awfully hard to come by and I'm curious.

Blessings,
Pandora's Box
-- Posted by Pandora box on Wed, Aug 5, 2009, 8:42 am EST

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Morgan Brown: "after leaving my last apartment, I had not been able to find a place to rent with any of the vouchers that was either available or under the FMR (Fair Market Rent) ceiling."

Isn't income part of the equation? The higher your income, the more apartments fall into your affordability range. People have to ask for their "figures," so I was under the impression that maximum allowed rent was somewhat individualized based on income.
-- Posted by Christina Colombe on Wed, Aug 5, 2009, 12:39 am EST

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Olde Man: "Did you read the article in the Atlantic July/August 2008 on section 8 housing as it relates to crime? What do you think of this?"

No, I was not aware of this article. I have found and will read later. My dried out contact lenses tell me it is time to go to bed.
-- Posted by Christina Colombe on Wed, Aug 5, 2009, 12:16 am EST

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It was an eye opener to me Walt. Maybe some low rise concentration is a better solution. I like what the Burlington Housing Authority offers in their projects. They have on site social workers, which imho is a forward thinking component.

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-- Posted by Olde Man on Tue, Aug 4, 2009, 9:30 pm EST

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Olde - The Atlantic article is pretty enlightening regarding the difficulty of escaping poverty as well as the violence associated with section 8 housing in Memphis. There is also research from Louisville according to the piece where a similar move from high rise projects was undertaken, sometimes without the consent of the residents and with not enough planning. Thanks for the recommendation.
-- Posted by walt amses on Tue, Aug 4, 2009, 7:49 pm EST

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Morgan - You are intelligent and articulate. Why is it so hard for you to hold a job? Also, Vermont has programs to help the disabled and isn't there any program or resources that will help you find permanent shelter?


Christina Colombe - Did you read the article in the Atlantic July/August 2008 on section 8 housing as it relates to crime? What do you think of this?



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-- Posted by Olde Man on Tue, Aug 4, 2009, 5:43 pm EST

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Christina Colombe:

"What options are there for someone who is precluded from living in public housing?"

Other than knowing there are too few and very limited options for someone precluded from certain public housing, I otherwise do not have specific information to provide a knowledgeable answer to your question. To be clear however, to my knowledge anyway, I am not someone who might be precluded, unless I were to have either a bad personal or landlord reference and that were to doom any chances at such housing.

"With your mental illness, are there additional housing options for you?"

Am not sure how my 'mental illness' fits into it really, other than being a person with disabilities and subsisting on a very low income and the lack of available and affordable independent living housing options to go around, most especially for those living or labeled with psychiatric disabilities.

That said, many of the options available within Vermont for someone within the mental health system are at times very limited and, although often means a person may reside within the community these days, they can still be institutional in nature and not always conducive to independent living: i.e., there are many of huge gaps and I have fallen into one of them and it has been difficult to get unstuck from such thus far.

Speaking for myself, what I am in need of and have been attempting to obtain once again over these past, long twelve (12) years is an apartment with a private landlord that would meet what I had finally identified as the most basic of individualized needs that would not set me up for failure so easily and help me more easily maintain a place as well.

However, despite previously having three different section eight tenant-based housing choice vouchers at various times years ago -- after leaving my last apartment, I had not been able to find a place to rent with any of the vouchers that was either available or under the FMR (Fair Market Rent) ceiling.

"I mean, WCMHS must have other clients who are ready for release from the state hospital and have felonies or drug charges in their pasts, generally what I think of as being precluded from public housing. Like that guy who became increasing agitated over a period of weeks and struck or choked another tenant on North Street in Burlington and was sent to the state hospital. The manager said on WCAX said he was/would be evicted but that does not mean he will be homeless. He will probably end up in a group home."

That is possibly one example (advocacy hat on and stated in purely general terms), but there can be others, including having a bad reference or lack of references, etc.; which, at least to my knowledge, is not a problem on my end, save the twelve year gap between last having permanent housing as well as a landlord.

"Yes, public housing is not something someone aspires to, but if it is that option or a tent in the woods in a Vermont winter, is public housing in Barre-Montpelier THAT bad?"

This is not about public housing being bad, since I do not recall making such statements and I when I was referring to public housing in my comment(s), I was speaking in general and in an advocacy mindset and role, not necessarily for or about myself. It just may not be a viable option for everyone for one reason or another.

In addition, nothing was ever said about my tenting out in the Winter, since I never have done so, nor do I intend to either; particularly since I can barely manage to survive doing so this time of year.

As regards myself and my housing needs, after years prior of not always knowing or identifying them upfront, it is about finally learning more of what my more general or most basic housing and environmental needs are that would best support independent living on terms I can live with.

What may work just fine for some does not always work for everyone.

There is much more to all this of course, including recent turn of events independent of and prior to the column being published, however those chapters may be a telling for another time.

Thank you for your concern as well as interest regarding these matters.
-- Posted by Norsehorse on Tue, Aug 4, 2009, 4:21 pm EST

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I don't care if you buy the red tape arguement or not. I was there I saw it with my own eyes. Maybe you should expereince it CJ.
Oh and I am one of those who help people thru this system!
-- Posted by Zachary Hughes on Tue, Aug 4, 2009, 2:21 pm EST

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Gina,

Can she keep a notebook of dates and who is saying what to her? Then once she has multiple incidents in her log, make a complaint through the agency that runs the apartment building? Then note their response and see if anything improves?

If the "uncomfortable" comments are sexual in nature, that is where to start. Tell her to keep her mouth shut to the other tenants, but documenting and corresponding with the manager should provide some release, and hopefully something productive will come out of it. If she is afraid, and I have been in regular apartments worried about people making up stuff, carry an MP3 player and set to record when the comments are most likely to occur: when she enters the building, uses shared facilities like laundry, etc.
-- Posted by Christina Colombe on Tue, Aug 4, 2009, 1:11 pm EST

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Many myths continue to exist about homelessness. This article and some responses to it point out a few. One is that there is plenty of housing available for people with mental health problems. Such housing exists, but it is not plentiful and there are many, many restrictions and qualifications that not everyone can meet. My niece, who has a permanently disabling psychiatric illness and lives on SSI (she is in her twenties) waited over a year for an apartment. She cannot have more than $1000 in her savings or she will lose her apartment. The other people in the building are also disabled (many with physical problems that are visible, unlike her illness) sometimes are rude to her and some young men say things that make her afraid, but she does not report them because she is afraid to lose her apartment. She is young and willing to work but cannot find a job (she is allowed to work part-time and keep her benefits). I worry that someday she will respond negatively to someone who harasses her and SHE will end up being arrested and will lose her place and end up homeless. As one of the posts said, it can happen to anyone.
-- Posted by gina on Tue, Aug 4, 2009, 12:31 pm EST

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CJ Maloney,

There IS rampant discrimination against Section 8 vouchers, and a person could be working and qualify for Section 8 because rents are so high. There are two reasons for this 1) a belief that people with Section 8 should be in public housing as a class and 2) the requirements for upkeep of the apartment by the landlord is more than he/she wants to comply with, and since there is no shortage of renters, why choose a Section 8 person if you have multiple offers on the apartment.

Morgan Brown would not be the first person who does not chose to live in public housing, if indeed that is a choice for him. He may be precluded for a variety of reasons, including credit and criminal background checks.

Cases:
http://hrc.vermont.gov/Reasonable%20Grounds%20Housing%20Cases
-- Posted by Christina Colombe on Tue, Aug 4, 2009, 10:46 am EST

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"It may sometimes seem like everyone has the exact same opportunities and choices afforded them as everyone else, but it only seems that way, reality is a far different matter."
On that comment alone, I'm still not buying it. If there is out and out discrimination out there, lets hear of it.
And by the way Zach....the red tape theory, not buying that either. There are folks that cruise the system w/ NO problems whatsoever, "red tape" or no..in fact, there are people who fall all over themselves to help you FIND and navigate the system.
As far as deciding if public assistance is right for you, ask this...you are using SOMEONES land to tent/live on...so in reality, you are accepting public assistance..
-- Posted by CJ maloney on Tue, Aug 4, 2009, 5:34 am EST

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Morgan Brown: 'It also can be that either someone would rather not live in project-based housing for a number of reasons or may not be able to have that as a choice, as they could be precluded from being accepted for such."

What options are there for someone who is precluded from living in public housing? With your mental illness, are there additional housing options for you? I mean, WCMHS must have other clients who are ready for release from the state hospital and have felonies or drug charges in their pasts, generally what I think of as being precluded from public housing. Like that guy who became increasing agitated over a period of weeks and struck or choked another tenant on North Street in Burlington and was sent to the state hospital. The manager said on WCAX said he was/would be evicted but that does not mean he will be homeless. He will probably end up in a group home.

Yes, public housing is not something someone aspires to, but if it is that option or a tent in the woods in a Vermont winter, is public housing in Barre-Montpelier THAT bad?
-- Posted by Christina Colombe on Tue, Aug 4, 2009, 12:25 am EST

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"However, I totally missed what the point of the article is."

There was no point.
In that sense you didn't miss anything.

"....he refuses to make any effort to take advantage of Vermont's more than liberal public assistance?"

Amazingly there are people that don't like to take advantage of Government assistance even if it means to live on one's own terms that might be miserable for the average person.

There are people in California that are highly educated, software engineers for examples that live in cars in Silicon Valley that lost their jobs.
I'm sure it was not their choice to live in their cars.

But everybody tries to make the best to live on their own.

Living by your own means is more important than being comfortable.

My heart goes out for Morgan and I hope he can find a life to be on his own and be more comfortable.

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-- Posted by A None on Tue, Aug 4, 2009, 12:06 am EST

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Well, we'll see how many bleeding heart liberals walk their walk and talk and offer Mr Brown a job, or a place to stay in the country . Mr Brown afterall deserves teh very same life taht Mr Shapiro or Mr Amses. Maybe one of these two people will redistribute their wealth to the less fortunate such as a local resident. Support local
-- Posted by Are you Kidding? on Tue, Aug 4, 2009, 12:02 am EST

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I have spent the last 11 years working with people who are homeless. Recently I spent 5 hours at night on the streets of Boston. I wish to make some ovservations
I feel mixed on the choice factor. Many people I have delt with do not like the rules and government red tape. Some are unwilling to take reponsibilty. Some make a choice to do this. Others have no choice that's because our sociaty does not seem willing to accept that this can happen to anyone. It could be me or you. There remains no quick and fast fix to this issue. I have learned there are many varibles involved. Two years ago I learned to my horrer that with all the services out there the gaps are wide. Often it's easier said then done to access. I worked with a family who all they could to get housing. The father even had job and still the service red tape were a nightmare. Even worse the staff of some social service non-profits and agencies lack the most basic skill active listening. That's right the act of stopping and listening to the person in need can do wonders! However coming across with an attuide can make the person seeking services worse and create a distrust.
I admire Morgan we are good friends. He certainly has my respect and he has a right to do what he feels he needs to do. While on the face the choices he makes may make you shake youre head imagine if you were on the street with no place to go. Also imagine a fustration with the "More then Liberal Public Assitence system."
Imagine everything you had in life G O N E just like that!
Now Imagine a place where you are ignored as a nobody!
-- Posted by Zachary Hughes on Mon, Aug 3, 2009, 9:54 pm EST

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I think one of the things widely assumed about homelessness is that it equates with joblessness when in reality most people in America who are poor actually have jobs, and - as Mr. Brown suggested - some folks have more than one. There are people who have worked steadily at Walmart for 10 years and make less than $10 per hour; have either no health insurance or not enough; and are a sprained ankle away from dire straits. Circumstances, rather than character, frequently dictate what our lives will be like; where we will be able to live; and what we will be able to do. Beginning early in life Mr. Brown was subjected to a series of horrific experiences that would be challenging for anyone to overcome. And yet he has found a measure of satisfaction in advocating for those even less fortunate than himself.........as he says, "doing his best".
-- Posted by walt amses on Mon, Aug 3, 2009, 6:00 pm EST

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correction:

Had *meant* to write:

[...]

It should also be stated that just like everyone else, people either living homeless or with disabilities of one type of another are *not all* the same and, even if they share certain things in common at times, their experiences and circumstances can still be very different and unique than *what* others may experience. ...

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-- Posted by Norsehorse on Mon, Aug 3, 2009, 5:12 pm EST

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It should not be assumed, as one reader who commented has incorrectly done concerning the column Sue Allen did profiling me, that when a person is living houseless (aka homeless) that is by choice.

In fact I have never chosen to either become houseless or remain living homeless, it is merely an experience I found myself and it is far easier to happen and can become a huge rut that is much harder to get unstuck from than many often imagine or assume.

The truth is none of us, whether for better or for worse, ever gets anywhere on one's own and, likewise, no one ever is able to successfully move forward - particularly for the better - on one's own.

It may sometimes seem like everyone has the exact same opportunities and choices afforded them as everyone else, but it only seems that way, reality is a far different matter.

That said, like with what I shared with Sue Allen when she interviewed me or what I related in my follow-up e-mails to her afterwards, none of it is stated to complain, simply to relate certain circumstances and experiences as well as my perspective concerning them.

The 'Talking Points' column by Sue Allen is just that, a column, within which she relates stories told to her by those she interviews. As I understand it anyway, it is not a news article; of course reading it online, it may not appear as obvious to the casual reader, save the style of writing employed.

It also should not be assumed that the lack of housing or being able to afford such is due to either lack of employment of government benefits by persons living homeless.

In many cases a person or family could either be employed, sometimes with more than one job and still not be able to afford adequate housing, The same can go for someone living on government benefits and also if they have been able to obtain a section 8 tenant-based housing choice voucher with which to seek living quarters and not being able to find a place under the Fair Market Rent ceiling or, in other cases, not have the security deposit and last months rent or whatever other upfront move in costs might be. It also can be that either someone would rather not live in project-based housing for a number of reasons or may not be able to have that as a choice, as they could be precluded from being accepted for such.

Another point I would like to make is that I do not have 'mental health issues', nor do I 'suffer' from severe depression or the other emotional or psychiatric disabilities I live with; rather such are conditions as well as life experiences that, like anyone else, I live with the best I am able to do so at any given moment or day; and, sometimes, no matter how I hard I may try, my best is not always good enough, yet I continue to do my best irregardless.

It should also be stated that just like everyone else, people either living homeless or with disabilities of one type of another are the same and, even if they share certain things in common at times, their experiences and circumstances can still be very different and unique than others may experience. One size does not fit all.

That said, none of us need or deserve pity either, however if enlightenment and understanding can be gained by the sharing, then I am pleased to have made the effort to share the brief glimpses into my circumstances and experiences thus far via the interview for this particular column.

Thank you to all who have done so for taking the time to read the column, as well as your interest in these matters, which some have expressed by posting comments. It is well appreciated and noted.

Morgan W. Brown
Montpelier
-- Posted by Norsehorse on Mon, Aug 3, 2009, 4:21 pm EST

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I think it is a great article on the struggle of a homeless person who is mentally ill. I think the article also says that if you are down and out there is always hope for obtaining the simple things in life and that is worth living for. The humanity in this piece is astounding, and it is a great article. I hope he finds his little place, his garden, and his dog.
-- Posted by How do I heart thee on Mon, Aug 3, 2009, 8:16 am EST

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Vermont is hardly the state to be homeless in, in the Winter.
Nothing very glamorous about being the midnight cowboys.

On the other hand police should be helpful and not harassing. Some despearte homeless will steal and then land in jail for the winter. This is a social problem too long ignored.
-- Posted by Joshua Bernstein on Mon, Aug 3, 2009, 7:11 am EST

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I am not exactly sure why living homeless, by choice, is helping the situation this man is in. I understand he has mental health issues, as does he. However, I totally missed what the point of the article is. Is it to describe the living conditions of a homeless man, or is it to (semi) make light of the fact that he refuses to make any effort to take advantage of Vermont's more than liberal public assistance?
I am also confused why the reporter chose to write in a "this reporter" mode of journalism. Isn't reportorial writing supposed to be objective?
-- Posted by CJ maloney on Mon, Aug 3, 2009, 6:30 am EST

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